MIK....please don't dis yourself on this, I know you are having some fun here....but,this is NOT ABOUT "DUMB" RODDERS, whereas my attitude is that if you can put one of these things together you have to be smart, but it is literally impossible to be expert at everything. I am a ditz when it comes to painting and metal work on these. I can't whip my way out of a wet paper bag on that subject and I stay away from it like the plague! None of these cars came with instructions, it didn't have a glue bottle with it, and it sure wasn't free....we all know that, but I am passionate, as you can see, about SOME of the safety issues that costs people their time, money and moreover their lives sometimes. If you notice, I do try to help with cooling, electrical issues, most engine issues and that's it! I seek help on the rest. So please don't take this as an insult at all, not meant that way at all.
What I do is that I own a company called Engineering & Marketing Technologies that does a whole myriad of differing engineering and marketing issues, mainly in the automotive aftermarket. I do both engineering/marketing for big corporate guys like NAPA and such for certain interests and so forth.
One of my new products is a serpentine bracket and pulley system that is to be out by December called Concept One Pulleys and Brackets. This product will be featured here as well. I will send you a pic of one of the sysetems. This system has been in the works for a couple of years and it's main feature is that is provides all the brackets, pulleys, hardware, belts, power steering pump, waterpumps, to go with. Literally mountable in less than 30 minutes.
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by purplepickup
Posted: 11/12/2001 09:41 EST
Steve, I too try to live by the K.I.S.S. theory, and I beleive that if you aren't informed you can't keep it simple. A lot of what you post doesn't pertain to what I'm doing or ever will do, but thru reading your posts I've become better informed and when a situation presents itself, I find I'm better prepared to deal with it.....sometimes diagnosing someone elses poorly designed system. I follow your posts on other boards too and find a lot of what you have found about engines thru dyno testing and comparing different engine combinations to be extremely interesting. If I ever need specific and detailed information you are near the top of my list of sources.
I also like to see people challenge you on specific issues if they too know what they are talking about and can site research or actual experiences. The dialog that follows usually helps us all make better educated decisions. I've seen people stand toe to toe with you and you don't try to push "your" way off on us or them...your goal seems to always be to simply put information out there to help us non-experts build cars right the first time without the expense of "trial & error". I don't build cars for a living, its just a hobby and I need all the help I can get. The internet has made this hobby much more rewarding, way less frustrating, and much safer.
In a word, keep it up....of course I work in an engineering R&D lab and am accustomed to engineers and their long dissertations :-)
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by mikej
Posted: 11/12/2001 11:56 EST
I enjoy sorting out the fact from fiction, so keep up the posts.
Since reading posts from this site. I have started using syn. oil. and installed a mini starter. I'm going to replace the flex fan with an electric also.
I may go to the Evans coolant too, depending on your debates here.
Methinks me thinks is one word.Hehehe
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by edcroozer
Posted: 11/12/2001 18:11 EST
I have a bridge for sale.......Ya interested?
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Flushing the Cooling System
by Fred
Posted: 11/12/2001 19:27 EST
Sure seems to be some people that just can't keep from making smart (?) remarks. The kind that aren't always funny at that....Fred P
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by edcroozer
Posted: 11/12/2001 21:06 EST
You got that right, some idiots just dont have a sense of humor, Get one. Lifes too short.
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Flushing the Cooling System
by Fred
Posted: 11/13/2001 11:34 EST
Ah!! Now some of us are idiots......sounds like you bought a bridge and can't get rid of it.... I know how short life can be...Fred P
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by luerch
Posted: 11/13/2001 14:33 EST
Steve, dig the tech stuff as always.
As for Evans coolant, theres the global system (boil over) and the local one (hot spots, steam pockets). On the street in a typical engine the global system would be the concern, boiling over. What's better, boiling over at 250 and shutting it down, or seizing the rings at 325? The real enemy is temperature not boil over, I wouldn't run it without a temp gauge. The advantages are the lack of corrosive nature of it, low pressure (less leaks) but I see no thermal advantage whatsoever in this application. Might even run hotter since it doesn't carry heat as well.
The local system : On the other hand you don't want steam pockets from hot spots in localized areas, which could well exceed the boiling point of the coolant and leave metal surfaces unprotected without boiling the system, in which case higher bp would be very beneficial. Probably a concern in racing (too lean) and very high hp apps more so than on the street. The lower ability of this stuff to conduct away heat could be countered (following what Steve said?) by increasing the flow rate, at the cost of hp needed to pump it.
I'm thinking of running water next summer with some anti-rust in the daily pos.
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by HOTRODSRJ
Posted: 11/13/2001 15:07 EST
Yep....if you got overheating problems with the system and it's not mechanical in nature or the engine running too lean, then water with the prudent amount of corrosion inhibitor is just fine as long as you have pressure to go with.
I counted the number of emails that I have gotten from either Texas, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico or Florida since May, that picked up the cooling info from one of a dozen sites that the cooling article runs on and the count was 42! They reduced the antifreeze content (one was 80%), put on high performance pumps, all ran thermostats, I got messages back from 31 saying that switching to water and increased flow/pressure either helped tremendously or solved the problem completely. 2 more were radiator problems, three were lazy pumps, 4 didn't answer.... and a partridge in a pear tree!
I will have my second More Cooling Tips out here in a couple of weeks...look for it here and other places! It will be up on my home site at www.inccn.net tech forum.
I think Classic Chevy wants to run it as well.
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by edcroozer
Posted: 11/13/2001 15:11 EST
Gee`s.....Truce! Laugh and live a little longer.
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by HOTRODSRJ
Posted: 11/13/2001 19:45 EST
Ed, I actually laugh alot. I don't know what YOUR problem is with my last post? The last post by myself was information with regards to a statement about water........not an argument. What's the problem with that now? No truce needed. If you don't get it or don't like it, just turn the channel to another show. I'll see you there!
And.....take that stupid look off your face young man! Hehehehehe!
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by lostandfound
Posted: 11/13/2001 21:47 EST
Hey puss head how much fer the bridge. Chezzzzz water(maybe in atlanta) i dont think so even if it does cool better i respect my motors a little more than that.Wonder why after you use water all summer and switch to coolant you find all sorts of leaks.If your cooling sytem is so screwed up that you have to use water,than you need to find a good mechanic/rod builder to design you a proper coolin system not use internet bullshirt artists(myself included). I guess i fell pretty good about myself NO degree and all my stuff cools great. LOL Lighten up this is intertainment. Let me know the price on the bridge there puss head. LOL I have to go know my molecular structure needs emptying(to much beer)
Mik
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by HOTRODSRJ
Posted: 11/14/2001 07:54 EST
When the conversation turns to name calling, then it means you have run out of anything productive or intelligent to say. It's easy just to throw names out....kinda shows you real intellect! Why am I not surprised!
ps....water IS the coolant, all the other stuff is just additives. I will put my cooling system designs up against anyones!
I rest my case. I report, the rest decides.
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by edcroozer
Posted: 11/14/2001 00:04 EST
Well than laugh some more, I have no problem with anything or anyone, just pokin fun. When people do the same to me, I dont bitch and moan about it......I just laugh it off. Never be offended by my BS, I`m sure people read and re-read your posts when I toss a wrench in your wheels. As far as not getting it, I think you may be too full of yourself there, I definitly get it. As far as not liking it here? if I didnt....I`d move on. alot of cool people here. The truce was for Fred, who definily didnt get it. I`m sure he does now. Sooooo, professor....slow down.
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RE: Flushing the Cooling System
by Retired Marine
Posted: 11/12/2001 23:24 EST
Steve, keepem coming. I might have to read them three or four times to get a good graspe on what your relating, but the end results, I have learned something new. Seems like the last few years, I have to read just about everything three or four times to understand. Maybe my brain-housing group requires updating(lol)
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