Any body know anything about this fellow?

http://www.davessmallbodyheis.com/
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An Old California Rodder
Hiding Out in the Ozarks

I know of alot of other rodders, and muscle car guys that buy his conversion kits and are perfectly happy with the product. Basically an high performance HEI in the old timey footprint. Pretty cool. I have never heard one bad thing said about his kits.

I don't agree with his take on Pertronix products tho.
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Steve Jack
Engineering & Marketing Technologies
ConceptOne Brackets and Pulleys

I know quite a lot about him, it's me!

PerTronix exorcism number 903 tomorrow morning.

Also, a very partial customer list includes HorsepowerTV/Chuck Hanson, Limeworks Street Rods, Precision Pro-Formance Panteras, Blair's Speed Shop, Champion Speed, Rodding Around, employees of Iskendarian, Ross Pistons, JE Pistons, Offenhauser, Edelbrock, Parnelli Jones, Jay Leno, Wheelerizing, Studebaker Avanti Parts & Restorations, Kendig Performance, lots more individuals, and over 900 people who were just fed up with their junk PerTronix ignitions and the techs at PerTronix who didn't help them, just told them the problem wasn't the PerTronix units, but their cars.

Might call and just talk to me, decide for yourself. You won't get sugar coating, only the real truth, straight and honest, so be ready for it.

(562) 699-6949 (one person business, leave message if I am not there and I'll return your call).

Dave, .....I do appreciate that your product seems to have a following, and I agree that the product is a good one as well, I have always given your product a good cuddo and even have your page as a link on my tech page still (hope you don't mind....you gave me permission) but I am going to put up one of the guys that I asked question of at length at the HOTROD show last week or when ever to be fair on the Pertronix thing.

Basic statistics tell me that if you are seeing this many failures in the field (900+ and counting) that with the random statistic base that I have seen or heard of (probably over a total of 1000s installed or sold) that I should see or hear of these failures in some manner, in front of me. I am still investigatin this and will continue to research, whereas I have put them all over the place.

The guy from Pertronix is Jim Hairson at Pertronix and he phone number is 909-599-5955. Or email at jhairson@pertronix.com.

BTW, I have refered several people to their tech line as well have talked to it myself with no problems. I found them very helpfull.


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Steve Jack
Engineering & Marketing Technologies
ConceptOne Brackets and Pulleys

Hotrodsrj, what is your website I had it and now can't find it!Thanks Mike
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bowtie36mc DSRA Member

I also have had very little problems with the pertronix units. 2 failures in over 6 years of 80-100 sold. (1 i beleive was not installed correctly)Guess its just in the water. Have looked at daves stuff and it looks good.May try one in the next flatmotor.
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Drive like you stole it !!

It is www.inccn.net/techforum.htm and you can click on the techlinks page from there.
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Steve Jack
Engineering & Marketing Technologies
ConceptOne Brackets and Pulleys

I'm not the only person to start removing lots of defective and blown up PerTronix over-hyped junk, lots of other shops have done same.

Oddly enough, about 99 percent of the ones I have removed were installed perfectly fine, had the right amount of voltage put to them and most had been replaced "under warrantee" by Pertronix as well, after many, many calls to their "tech" lines for resolutions that simply didn't work.

Most callers with tech issues were told it wasn't the PerTronix units that failed, but the vehicle had some other problem, and when the stock points were re-installed, the problems created with the PerTronix went away.

Also, who is one to believe? A tech from PerTronix who has a vested interest in continuing sales, or a whole slew of regular people who have gone through the PerTronix failure issues and tech "resolutions" nightmares, and speed shop/retail auto store owners who have stopped carrying those junker ignition disasters. I'll pick the users and shop owners, thanks, and from my own expeeriences over these last 7 years.

Like I said, I don't get into the PerTronix issues/bull over-hype advertizing/nightmares, I do it a much better way, real, live HEI, not calling an inferior, failure prone system an HEI when it clearly isn't.

Did you happen to ever work for pertronix?? Man you got one hell of a pile of deffective units. If you got a 150 bucks per unit i would think you would be happy they sell the stuff LOL Thats 135,000 grand in your pocket. Maybe you should have customers return them and flood the market.That would put them out of bussiness. Yep you are correct it aint no hei. but the street cars and farm tractors(flat heads) i put them in dont know the diff. Guess i am just lucky. 59 bucks i will take my chances.One in my personal ride has gone over 200,000 miles not so much as a hickup. Tech line guy that i talked to sounded ok,but then again i dont have to call them so.......maybe they aint so good.Maybe you need to wear tin foil hats in cailf.
LOL MIKE..........................................................
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Drive like you stole it !!

Disgruntled ex employee???
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The "New" and Unimproved edcroozer... Charter D.S.R.A. member

Hummmm, I wouldn't think you'd have to stretch the intent of House Rules 2 or 3 to understand that some of the comment posted in this string is not what this site is all about. At least I don't think so. Carl
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Carl Larkins

Mailed my core distributor to Dave this morning. I'll post the results at some future date. Thanks for all of the observations.
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An Old California Rodder
Hiding Out in the Ozarks

Steve, haven't yet received your package, but...I will return it unopened as soon as it arrives.

NOTHING you did, but you can thank people like edcroozer and mr.wyllis, for their juvenile posts, for it.

No conversion, no shots taken, as they will do, no matter the outcome of that conversion.

BTW, edcroozer, your diaper is leaking.

So if some one does`nt quite agree with your salesmanship, everyone should suffer then blame it all on the one who questioned your pitch? Your people skills need a little work too. Juvinile? Check out what you say in your post. Ban me if you must be vindictive, not these fine folks. Also keep crap from this site, if ya got a beef...email me, spare these people.
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The "New" and Unimproved edcroozer... Charter D.S.R.A. member

Well Dave, we didn't mean to run you off and make you mad to the extent that you want to blackball us all from your product line. I guess I am shocked that you would turn my or any business away just because you disagree with me or others on a few things. There are others here that really didn't say or do anything to deserve it. You have made them guilty of whatever you think we have done by simple association.

BTW, even tho I appreciate the cuddos, not everybody takes my word for gospel over here....I am working to win them over with logic and facts and experience for their own. I accept that and do not dislike or blackball them from my email list. First, they believe my cooling theories because I offer corroborating evidence of such, they try what my advice suggests and we work to solutions and I don't bash the other guys products and call them "junk", and I go and tell them to check it out themselves. I never said anything but good things about your product, BTW, and even tried to defend your demeanor, because there is alot of you in me too, so I understand SOME of your moves here. You have to admit, there are a few here that simply don't have your experience with the product in question. That's all. This has gotten out of control, and I will admit that I helped it along by just stating my experiences and takes. I ordinarily would not have been so inquisitive and insistent about the good, bad, or ugly of a product (Pertronix), but I have put one in my 82 year old dad's 55 and ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN WITH THE RELIABILITY OF THE CAR.....I think you would agree....he drives it everywhere!

Maybe you think that you can just blow us off because we don't have this huge following and we are just rodders on the roadside in life etal. But, I know that several others here visit frequently to other sites, and I can tell you that I visit 24 differing sites all over, and get questions regarding all kinds of issues including ignitions systems, you have seen me at several, and I also see over 7000 vendors a year, and this includes not only rods and customs, but light truck and some marine applications. What I really do for a living is put products like yours into master distribution and dealer situations (Enginneering and Marketing Technologies). What am I going to tell these people now looking for your type of product or if they ask me about it? I also went back to see how many hits we had on your link at my site. A bunch....! Plus, I get at least two questions about your product thru my Jackstands Links email a week. What now? And there are others here that go go go to every event known to man (like Denise and Johnny and a few others)that talk and trade information all the time.

Moreover, the forum and the medium that you are now on is easy to corroborate things you do and say by simply posting threads and links to the sites and comments...

Dave, I would really like for you to step back and take a deep breath and make things right here in your own way. I think you are a good guy, but just are too anxious to tell us how bad something is, when in fact your product obviously stands by itself.....you really don't need to do that in my humble opinion. And, I know people here would respect you for doing such!

That's all AGAIN!



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Steve Jack
Engineering & Marketing Technologies
ConceptOne Brackets and Pulleys

Perhaps a better way of handling a situation where you were less than satisfied with a business and or product would be to simply state that you had a problem and that the consumer should beware,then post or link to your e-mail so that a more in depth discussion could take place privately.I,like many I believe,visit this sight not only for the valueable information but also to interact with other car people,enjoy the sometimes warped humor,and talk about a vast variety of things other than cars.Laughter is Great Medicine,many times when reading posts by Ed,Richard,and many others,I laugh so hard I almost wet my pants(Ed,I said ALMOST,don't need to borrow a diaper yet).I hope members continue to post comments,both good and bad,about products and or vendors they have dealt with.I,for one,look to sites like this for opinions on products I have not used before and those opinions weigh heavily in my decision to purchase or not.Often times,as expected,you get a biased opinion from a salesman who's objective is to hype and sell you his product over the competition.In MHO,we have many very talented members who are willing to share thier knowledge and hands on experience with us and I,for one,am thankfull and hope they continue to do so.I just don't see any sense in continuing to whip a dead horse,as I said WAY back at the top,most of this thread would have been better suited to a private discussion.Most of our e-mail adresses are clearly posted in our member profiles.Sorry for the long-winded post but life's too short to be this serious!! See Ya!!
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Daryle

By the way Steve,This post was not directed at you,I just linked it to the last post as it is just my opinion and not really in response to any particular post at all,but instead just an observation.See Ya!!
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Daryle

Well, Well, Well. Should I be crying like a "juvenile"? I said one word, "SPAM." If that's all it takes to chase away a spamer, it's too easy.

I think the proof is in the pudding. Take a look at your post there spamer man, all you talk about is how superioir your "product" is. The SUPERMAN of distributors.

You talk such a strong game. This post started with someone asking the roundtable "what do you think of..." and BOOM, the next post is Good 'ol SUPERSPAM himself, spreading SPAM about himself, and his powers!

The residents of this site want answers from consumers, the people that buy the stuff, try it out, and have an honest opinion. NOT the person selling it. After reading this thread, it is very apparent that had you kept your two foot wide mouth shut, people would have given you compliments, and spoke volumes for your "product." Heck, I was even sold for awhile. It's important in business to let your product do the talking. A point that if you are to succeed, you must quickly learn.

However, you stuck your foot in your mouth. Now you've turned away more people than you attracted. In the end, you tucked your tail between your legs, and walked away. Shut the door on possible customers. Stepped down off your soapbox and mooned the audience. So, if you want to place blame on Ed and I for ruining our opportunity to get "the best possible setup on the planet", go ahead SUPERSPAM. I'm not loosing any sleep over it, or any money!

And that's from a TRUE JUVENILE!
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MrWillys aka HRB
Member: Dipstick Street Rod Association
Paint don't make 'em any faster!

Relax there Carl, No beatings are being perpatrated. Who`s car got bashed? Laugh a little...It`s healthy.
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The "New" and Unimproved edcroozer... Charter D.S.R.A. member

OK Ed, I'm relaxed Soooo now I'll get my second 2 cents in. First, in the 52 years I've been messing with cars I'de say I've run just about every kind of distributor setup made, I'm still partial to the magnetos we ran on our flatheads, but they had their own set of problems. I guess what I'm trying to say is, ain't nothing built mechanically that ain't gona fail. I'm sure Dave does a good job at what he does, may even try one of his setups some day. Right now I have 6 vehicles, 2 with points Dist., 2 with GM HEI, 1 with Mallory Electronic and 1 with Petronix, (55 Merc W/57 dist)ALL crank and run just fine. ANY one of them may fail tomorrow. I'd also say if Daves honesty is as good as his criticism seems to be his setups can and will fail too. That's just life. Carl
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Carl Larkins

Very funny. There are plenty of people who will never use a Pertronix proiduct again, as they are fed up with the problems from them. I had the opportunity to get into installing those junkers, looked really close at the whole PerTronix picture, and found a lot more than the average person sees adverse about them, decided to go with a better, more labor intense setup of my own creation. Haven't looked back since. I will say that I would now install Mallory Unilite systems in a heartbeat over ANY PerTronix trash, if I didn't build my own setup. Only thing a Unilite needs is a second ballast resistor (.6 ohms), to drop the line in voltages to between 7.0 and 9.0 to the Unilte module (coil should be left with one ballast resistor), Unilites live long then.

Dave as others have said....I have never heard a bad word about your product.Unlike some here i am a lot like you .If the product sucks i will flat out tell yah(johnny i am being quiet LOL) You may change my mind about the pertronix unit if you could e-mail me a pix or post it of these 900(wow) units. As far as the unilite...forget it.Nothing but trouble.Tried to race the damn things also(NASCAR short tracks) No luck. They would retard at high RPMS(on a dist machine or dyno) ,if thet got a little dirty (trip through the infield after gettin wrecked) they did not work. Seen them shut off at temps that were not all that bad(shot of freon would bring the thing back,back when you could do that mind you) so as far as the unilite i do have a pile of them layin here,nothing of what you have in pertronix though LOL Still like the Unilite dist itself but dont think CD player tech belongs in a dist(good looking ,nice and small peice for rods)do you convert them also?? Hey i had a MSD solid state module pop in there GM HEI the other day,smelled like ....well you know. MIKE......
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Drive like you stole it !!

Just think about this for a moment...many, many people bought into the over-hype ads for the PerTronix being the best things since holes in donuts, THE fix, etc. Then, they found out different when they couldn't get them to live, work right, proper support for them, etc. Only 906 of those people have found me and my system. How many others have found different alternatives to the PerTronix frustration and problems by just changing to something else, like an MSD, large cap HEI, Mallory, etc., may never be fully known. I'd speculate most NEVER were on boards like this one, never said a word about their frustrations, just bit the bullet and changed the problem PerTronix out for something else? More than we can all imagine. Count those, well, not a chance, but they are out there, lots of people doing that. I have had only 907 of these people find me, and that's their perogative, as all the rest who do other changeover methods. I ain't the only one doing Pertroinx removals, and it isn't my job to determine what went wrong with them, or to justify to anybody that I have changed even one. Doubt as much as you care to, doesn't make you correct, and I'm not trying to change anybody's mind or impression of a clearly to me, dubious design ignition, the PerTronix. Ain't mad or upset with anybody, and I don't care if people actually like an inferior ignition system, I build a better one, plain and simple, and have replaced a lot of Pertronix ignitions with mine. That's the truth, and the end of it. Use what you like, but let me have my hands-on, everyday opinions about stuff, just like you have. Now, I have a triger only unit to do, and number 907 this evening, from Blair's Speed Shop, Pasadena, Ca.

Let`s face it, you are the best, there are no others that can be as good as you, you have all the answers...Period! Can`t understand why I never heard of you or read about you or seen any ads displayed by you. You just may have a great ignition, but you definily turn a lot of people off by being so headstrong. I have contemplated going for one of your upgrades, but your attitude changed my mind. Your product may be the best thing since sliced bread but your salesmanship needs alot of work....Sorry just my 2 cents.
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The "New" and Unimproved edcroozer... Charter D.S.R.A. member

ed...go sit in the corner. how rude! :-)
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One man's treasure is another man's trash.

I can`t, I don`t have a square butt.
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The "New" and Unimproved edcroozer... Charter D.S.R.A. member

Hey Eddie......he's no different that you and me! He is head strong and maybe he does need salesmanship lessons, but I implore you to reconsider, whereas you may miss out on a good opportunity.

I have been to many other sites where his customers hang out and they are quite satisified with his products.

I am considering one for my 57s new 383!

Just my take.....
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Steve Jack
Engineering & Marketing Technologies
ConceptOne Brackets and Pulleys

I thought the 57 was going out the door..
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Is it funny yet?

Charter Member: Dipstick Street Rod Association

SPAM?!
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MrWillys aka HRB
Member: Dipstick Street Rod Association
Paint don't make 'em any faster!

Spam breakfast of Champions! It's good fried!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mike,Charter DRSA Member

Spamazoa!
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The "New" and Unimproved edcroozer... Charter D.S.R.A. member

I think the technical term is spamatozoa, isn't Ed?
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Lynn
'32 3W

I stand corrected...lol
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The "New" and Unimproved edcroozer... Charter D.S.R.A. member

This response is my last here, and is also sent to edcroozer, too.

No spam, not at all, just hands-on experience, and hearing from a lot of others who have had the same experiences.

Pick and use what you will, I certainly aren't attemting to change anybody over to my better system, that's for sure. Keep your junker Pertronix systems, by all means.

In fact, anybody who sends me a distributor from this site will get it right back, undone. Sorry, if you aren't open minded enough to accept what someone else has seen and experienced, then you aren't open minded enough to get something better than a Pertronix.

Now, I will ask this question, Steve Jack SAYS he is a cooling system specialist, has a business doing cooling systems, and everybody takes his posts as gospel, right. Well, how do you know he is right, has gone through the experiences he has? Obviously, you don't. Same as me, nobody knows for sure. I do believe him, he has proper and correct knowledge on cooling systems, and has answered me with correct info, posted same on a few sites, so I feel he is the real deal on cooling systems.

Please, don't send me distribuytors for modification, I don't meed the bull that will ensue from users insisting on using a non-approved coil or not changing the voltage fgeed, it only confuses others away from the truth.

Have a nice day, and by all means, don't listen to anybody who has a better deal going or experiences different from your own, keep those heads buried in the sand.

As far as being a household name, I have never wanted to be one, have been happier developing new products behind the scenes, without hero worship that goes with celebrity.

Bye.

Well , might as well count me in too! I was thinking of getting a HEI conversion for the 40 since the firewall is so close to the distributor. Figured I would wait and see how STEVEJACKS's conversion went. I wanted a 63 Corvette tach drive converted to upgrade the 40. I don't argee with everything he says either about cooling, but I think he is a good man. I guess I am stuck with my old Mallory dual point, stock 57 Chevy 4 blade fan and the 1940 Ford radiator that takes me wherever I choose to go. You have a poor attitude.
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Same Wife, Same DEUCE Roadster, Same Job for over 20 years. Must be in a rut. AIN'T LIFE GRAND.....

Well, next time someone asks for an opinion on Dave's small body HEI's I'll just post the link to this thread and let them make their own mind up.

I sure hope they consider what customer service might be like...especially if there is a dispute about what happened.
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George
DSRA member

Mr."Ignition Man"
You have possibly the worst attitude I have ever seen for a businessman. Let me see if I got this right, you never want any business from anyone that has anything to do with this site. Is that it? I can't speak for everyone here that you have insulted and downed, but speaking for myself and my customers and hopefully their friends and my friends,IT'S A DEAL! I may even print your post and hang it up on the board just to make sure everybody gets your message. As for being a houshold name, you already are, we will think of you every time we open the restroom door.
Have a nice day.
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Digger
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DSRA Member

I threw it away yesterday, now I have to go buy one

If you can't beat em, arrange to have them beaten.

Ahman brother!
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MrWillys aka HRB
Member: Dipstick Street Rod Association
Paint don't make 'em any faster!

An old saying goes, "The proof of the pudding is in the eating". In my opinion all the hype in the world is not going to sell a bad product...for long. If we sold a product that generated customer complaints and couldn't get the problem resolved, we would remove the product from the site until the problem was resolved to our satisfaction. We learned the hard way what happens when you sell a product that doesn't meet expectations...anyone remember the so called "bright" LED bulbs that weren't as bright as 1157s? Recall and/or replacement costs are killers. Doing nothing is never an option. Oh, by the way, we handle PerTronix products and no problems yet. I also found them to be great people to work with.
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Dick Z

I'm going to try one myself as I need something for my 36 so mite as well! I checked out his website and I was impressed with his theory so mite as well take the bit in my mouth and run!
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Mike,Charter DRSA Member

I am going to post one more time on this then let it go.

Dave.....we have discussed this before, perhaps at a differing site, but actually the BOTH of you, PERTRONIX AND DAVE could have ulterior motives in this fight. They, for continuing sales, and you for wanting the business they have. So, once again....it's corroborating information that I turn to in this issue. And, actually I like both products, yours and theirs.

Pertronix has been in business a long time. They are not just a johnny-come-lately, back garage operation. They have a resounding business, and many a jobber. Some of their jobbers are world class guys, like Summit Racing, Jegs, etal and I know for absolutely sure that when these guys get problems with products, regardless of manufacturer, they re-evaluate their relationships. Most, if not all poor and mediocre products are shown the door. This simply is not happening and moreover I have been involved with one of these companies for other reasons and have asked the question and seen the return rates on these products. Nada, nil, nothing...and the sales are thru the roof!

This is the corroborating evidence that I have not seen to back your claims. I am not saying that you don't have 900+ of these laying in a trash pile somewhere, and without thorough examination and complete failure analysis, we really don't know what the issue is with these do we? WE really don't know if they were installed correctly from the get-go. We don't know if someone erred and hooked the units up backwards, or someother misapplication. You just get them and they are dead I guess.

And, as a professional engineer and working in electronics all my professional life, i say that I have talked to several people from Pertronix, including the product development guy and he's a pretty smart cookie in my book, and I have literally seen thousands of professional engineers in my life.

Another little thing that bothers me is that the company has long term relationships with world class companies that currently use their product. Onan, for example, is known for it's reliability and quality. The ignition circuit in those are so critical to the operation of the end product, that I would think that if Pertronix was so bad at this it would show somewhere. Again...corroborating evidence.

And on top of that, my own personal experience with these has been stellar. I just think for the $$, it's a pretty good deal.

That's the crux of my argument Dave. And it's not like I have anything bad to say about your product, I don't and even go out of my way to say all I have heard is good. But, the two products are kinda in their own niche markets really. Moreover, I have never stated that you didn't sound like you knew what you were doing either...so no dissing here on that front as well.

I report.....the masses can decide on their own.
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Steve Jack
Engineering & Marketing Technologies
ConceptOne Brackets and Pulleys

SO .....

" Any body know anything about this fellow?

http://www.davessmallbodyheis.com/ "
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CAUTION : Objects In The Mirror Are NOT As Good Looking As They Appear.

Somewhere in all this BS must be some good info..........
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Mike J
Unchartered DSRA Member
If it ain't broke, fix it anyway...

Steve (Bib Overalls) I know you asked for input about Dave's on other sites too and I recommended him on one of those sites based on what he did for a friend with a nailhead dizzy. I, too, was watching these boards to see what kind of experiences others have had. I was getting ready to send a distributor out of my 57 Ford to him to convert. I've now changed my mind, but since dave said he refuses to do business with anyone associated with this site and would return the distributor you sent to him, I would appreciate it if you would let me know how this shakes out. You can either email me or post it but I would be interested in what happens.

I hang out with people who belong to many groups and clubs where the majority of rodders are either inexperienced or don't use computers so I'm considered the guy to ask for opinions and info. Just yesterday I was in a shop where a customer was asking about converting from points to electronic ignition and Dave's name came up. I mentioned that the Dave had just responded to a request for info on the internet and the owner of the shop wanted to know more. I printed the posts and he kept it. I'm not sure what he's going to do with it but I didn't give him any opinion whatsoever, I'll let him decide. Anyway, I'm rambling....if you would let me know what your experience with dave is after all this, I'd be very interested.
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George
DSRA member