I know it's winter time. but i came across this new freon called Duracool refrigerant. It a replacement for r12 and r134. It's ozone safe.
Was wondering if anybody used it? or have any pros and cons about this stuff.
Here's there web page www.duracoolusa.com

Rick
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awsum34

Remember the only dumb question is the one you don't ask.

I have no experence with this coolant, but from reading their info it is propane.
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Mike J

You can use propane in your AC system,,,,,,that is if you don't mind driving a REAL bomb. I've seen a product called Hotshot which was a blend of different gases, but was still a bomb. Why would you want to use a subtitute for 134a? Its cheap enough and safe and ozone safe too. Dave
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Life's too short to drive an ughly car!

I agree, R-134 is the ticket, but it still amazes me how some will try to save a few pennies and use that explosive in their a.c.

Like i said, i just came across this stuff on the web, and never heard of it. I agree with the R134.
Talking about freon the R22 for the home will be like the R12 in 2006 or 2008. Be hard to get


Rick
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awsum34

Remember the only dumb question is the one you don't ask.

I think it is 2020 for r22, and it does minimal damage to the ozone. The gov. jumped the gun on this. We just needed to change our habits on how we handled coolants. We shouldn't have used it like compressed air or as industrial cleaner or anyone of a hundred other bad practices. If we had quit these bad habits we could still use it safly. The third world countries are still using and making it.... Remember gobal warming has been going on since the last ice age, in spite of the supreme beings that we are.
If the weather stays like this I'm for global warming. Still driving the coupe in Dec. in Iowa. Life is good.
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Mike J

Did a bit of a look see in a few library books back when and find it difficult to believe that R12 is causing damage to the ozone when in reality, the stuff is heavier than air....I also asked a few people at UNT near me and a Prof. seems to think it was one of the big laughs played on the public by the government in years. I tend to agree...Fred P
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Fred P.

You are correct on that one, It has been an argument of mine for years, freon is heavier than air. Just hocus pocus from the chemical industry.

Not all false, just misleading in their claims. ( the green people). They don't have enough evidence with only 20 years of photos. They don't have a history of the ezone holes other than a short span of time. Bad science, just like mine, more of an opinion.
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Mike J

I've heard that if you were able to release all the freon from all the cars in the world at the same time,,,,it still would not equal 1 rocket launching. Dave
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Life's too short to drive an ughly car!

don't get me started on the 'green people.' Greenpeace wants to do away with chlorine (which goes into bleach), saying that it harms the world. What would we use to clean our water, etc.??
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One man's treasure is another man's trash.

Whereas the Earths' oceans are composed of salt water, and that one of the main componants of salt is chlorine, wouldn't it follow that the worlds oceans should be banned?
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Fred aka ZZFord or 33Highboy

NOW YOU'VE DONE IT!!! I hope that Greenpeace hasn't read your reply. If they have, they will be working on the world to eliminate the oceans. But, on the other hand, we could drive our streetrods to Europe...(hmmm...but, who wants to?). They are against chlorine, as its' one of the main ingredients in PVC, the plastic that is in new car interiors, house siding, piping, vinyl windows, medical bags, and on and on....and oh yeah, we use it to clean our clothes and purify our water.

Ok...time to kick me off my soapbox. I have to do more typing on my pvc keyboard.

phil
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One man's treasure is another man's trash.

Leave a glass of water out for a bit and the chlorine will evaporate. The oceans will evaporate many many tons of the stuff every day and the sun breaks it down into other elements which react with our corrosive atmosphere (yes, oxygen!)....so...this affects the ozone layer and has been doing it since before man came around. Since there is a "sun spot" cycle that peaks every 11 years, and records of this go back centuries, who's to say the ozone layer doesn't go thru similar cycles just because people have just started taking notice. From a lot a reading, I have to conclude in my own fashion, that there very likely may be a cycle to the ozone layer. Especially at the poles. Who would want a "rod" there anyhow! lol Fred P

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Fred P.

Snow Rod? White with some northern lights mixed in. Wouldn't need a/c. No more hole.
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Mike J

Here in England I use R409a as a direct drop in for R12, and it works just fine.All new cars come with R134a, but I have found that this stuff leaks like crazy especially from the shaft seal if the system is`nt run every few days, apperantly due to it being a smaller molecular construction than freon.
As to the ozone hole!!why is it that cars make ozone and co`2 as a by product but the co`2 get`s up there and messes(supposedly)in the upper atmos. but the ozone does`nt??Go figure.

They claim that R134 is safer for the environment, but it is not safer for humans because it is carcinogenic. I always thought there was a lot of irony in that.
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Lynn
'32 3W

The bad part is we have no idea on the long term effects of the new coolants. We just have to accept that the people making the new coolants won't mislead us and that the GOVERNMENT will protect our best interests.(satire)
This was just like the under ground tank testing, put alot of little guys out of business. But I don't want to drink oily water either.
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Mike J

You can use SP34E which is environmently safe and no propane! Its a direct replacement for R12 and uses the same connection couplers. We use it at our shop and it works great with no problems. It is 95% R134A but is compatible with an R12 set up so you eliminate the change over process cost. If you want want more info on it just drop me a line.
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Top Rod

The industry standard is R134a. Until they auto makers find a new substitute, it's here to stay. Most of the alternative refrigerants already have a "base" of 80% or more of R134a anyway. If a retrofit is done right, R134a works fine. The other "big" problem is getting your car serviced with one of these alternatives. Not many shops are willing to recover a refrigerant that is not "tagged" properly. How many recovery tanks can you have?? Some people use R22, but that is dangerous as the pressures are much greater at higher temps. Same goes for R409, but it's a little closer. There is no "drop in" replacement for R12, although all these refrigerant companies claim theres is. Oil compatablity issues are still being fought by different maunufactorers. If you cannot afford R12 for your system, visit our question and answer board and we'll be happy to "guide" you with a proper retrofit. You cannot do it half a**ed. That is where the problems begin. System designs can be overcome, but you must do it right, then you only have to do it once. Our board is at. http://www.ackits.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=2 Stop by and let the experts help you. But, which ever refrigerant you use, make sure you propely "tag" the system with type and amount of oil and refrigerant used. Why ruin other peoples equipment..Hope this helps..

Hi Chick, Welcome aboard, I know running a a/c shop you'll be getting alot of question. And i'm sure you'll save us alot of headache's


Rick
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awsum34

Remember the only dumb question is the one you don't ask.