This pretty much sums it up. I'm often asked by Sport Compact/ Import owners why they're not included in shows, often get snubbed, or don't get repsect. This past weekend in Carlisle PA is a prime example.--

Rowdy Crowds Prompt End Of Car Show

POSTED: 4:57 p.m. EDT May 5, 2003
UPDATED: 6:44 p.m. EDT May 5, 2003

CARLISLE, Pa. -- A popular car show in Carlisle will not come back next year.

This is after problems with this past weekend's Custom Compact Car Show.

Police said instead of a car show, it resembled spring break with hundreds of citations and arrests.


The Custom Compact Car Chow attracted about 24,000 people over the weekend, but a few hundred seem to have ruined it for everyone.

Police responded to countless calls of public drunkenness, excessive noise, even an assault of a security officer.

Residents have been complaining about rowdy groups since the start of the show a few years ago.

Car show organizers promised if things didn't change, they'd cancel the show.

After this rowdy weekend, they followed through on that promise to cancel it for good.

"The behavior doesn't match what we do. We have celebrities like Richard Petty and design engineers along with the finest people in the country. The behavior was never perfect at this event," said John Detrick, CEO of Carlisle Productions.

Car show organizers said they stand to lose a lot of money. It was one of their most profitable shows.
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Director Of Entertainment/ Recreation
Dipstick Street Rod Association
Lower Susquehanna Chapter

We get this at our cruise nights every year. Seems there are always a few squirels around who go and ruin it for the majority of enthusiest. Thing is, you can't even approach them to calm them down or to have them turn down their boom boxes. Name calling then threats follow.
I hang out at a rod shop that does stereo systems and have met many rice burners. Plenty of nice kids who are *hot rodding* their rides, most are pretty cool once you get to know them. Heck, some even respect this *old man*. Maybe they need mentors.
Emil
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Emil
GCi
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37 Packard Super 8

Emil, I've run into the same thing! All it takes is just a few rotten (sic) imports and the cruise is ruined..Problem is, there's no way to stop them from tailgating ya and sticking their collective noses where they are not wanted..I even run into this mentality on a Flying Sim that I hang out on and they talk about there rice burners in stead of the warbirds and flying...when asked to take it to a private chat, you wouldn't believe the foul language directed at you...I gave up..I found a neat site that puts it in perspective for the imports, in particular a few Nissans that no one can afford and can't get into the country and the idiots have the gall to say that it eats up the z06 'vettes etc and when asked where the info came from, more foul language...There's been a rash of accidents in the Dallas area of imports racing and someone wrapping themselves around a pole and killing themselves...I've even been stopped in the Roadster by the Gendarmes but when they see an Ol Fart with a big grin, ( lol) they look and then just say something like have fun but suppose it was a new rodder just out for a cruise??? Would they get in trouble because of the few?? Sure hope not..
Loosing a rod show to them should have prompted the sponsers to ban imports at further shows and have the ability to enforce it..There are "Show and Shines" around the area that ban imports or use the earlier years like up to the muscle car era and it works...Its a shame too since some of the imports like Honda or Toyota that even with FWD, can get into the 8's with turbo...The Texas Motorplex has Friday nite racing and the American cars won't even show up any more..I'd rather watch paint dry!!
I don't think there's a concrete answer for it except to see if bans work by using a limit on year entries...
I won't even look at the idiots that pull up next to me anymore and rev their "fart cans" and then screech away when the lite turns...I didn't build my car for that...
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Fred P.

When I published GCM we held a cruise night once a week. When we had a problem with a rice burner or some young kid in a beater we'd ask then if they enjoyed the hang out. USUALLY they responded in the affirmative. We then ask them why they were trying to shut us down then. they would honestly look at us with a look of astonishment, never realizing the damage they were causing. Wild oats so to speak. Checking out their ride with interest didn't hurt any either. Though something like this must be handle while the culprit is alone, friends around them seem to fortify their disrespect.
A cut off date is the best way to go but can only be employed when it is a sanctioned event. Free parking, etc., is an open door to their civil rights even though they may not be acting civilly.
Emil
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Emil
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Drive it!
46 Ford Sedan
37 Packard Super 8

Well written Fred and I whole heartedly agree. We have had too many deaths and injurys here with ricers at the wheel. Even took out a local R.C.M.P. officer (police) one night! Its gotta stop sometime but how and when? i can still remember doing alto of stuff like that when I was younger too, so I guess I'm being a little two faced here. However, many things are much different now compared to then.
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Member:Dipstick Street Rod Association.
My other car is a train, and last night I put the engine on the ground!!

i know many cool kids at my highschool that are ricers. they are always messing with the outkast aka old car people. actually were calle dpussies for not illegal street racing. my response was"The problem is is that you guys don't no how to putt putt around and enjoy the ride. a buddy of mine was suspened for fighting with another guy because a ricer said his car sucked and spit on his 1970 stepside.
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Theres no replacement for displacment.
No substitute for cbi.

i know a couple ricers who are the nicest people in the world tho. but there are always the stupid people
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Theres no replacement for displacment.
No substitute for cbi.

We've Got the exact same problem is Australia too, and it is annoying. In my area, there were only about 3 good cruise nights whoch happened once a month, and in the begining they were really good. When the "ricers" found out there were hot rods meeting up once a month they thought they could show off by doing doughnuts. Most of the ricers werent even ricers, they were local Holden commodores, which most have inline 6s. Out of the three, i think all have moved locations to prevent this hapening, and i only go to one of them now which i have photos from at my site. At one cruise night at a local shopping mall, a group a motorcyclists had peeled out and did mono's down the street with one guy losing it and his bike flyin' down the road with him on his back. We've solved this problem by having a cruise night at an airport carpark where there are no shops or anything so hardly anybody thats not a hot rodder would know about it. When My father and I went to So-Cal in 2000, we went to a cruise night at a pizza parlor and they actually had an area roped off and only allowed classics cars(probly pre 66). The funny thing is, most of the ricers would stand a chance against some of the rods that go to my local cruise night! The photo attached is of one of the regulars, a blown willys coupe. This sucker and a choped '35 ford coupe which is about as tough would run in the 10s quite easily i think.
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Sean hammond
www.geocities.com/aushotrods "Australian Hot Rodding On The Net"

if ya look hard you can see the thirty 2!
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Sean hammond
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yeah, we also had this happen at Brisbane. "Harry's diner" was over-run with commodores, and toranas and gemenis and old dattos!! Now the cops are there every Fri night, and the run is pretty-well ruined (so we've started going to the fish&chip shop next door!)

I can respect the fact that some guys like holdens or ricers etc - we all have different tastes right. But why do they feel like they have to come and ruin our events and make out like their cars are better than ours?? *chuckle*

They are totally different cars - totally different interests. Its like a goth skankin to punk music - its just not right!!!

Im only 20, so im right amoungst the ricer and holden (bevan) generation. Heaps of my friends are into it, and im ok with that, but generally they dont come to our hotrod (and american classic car) events, and i rarely go to their events. If i do venture out to a ricer meet (very rare occasion!!) i will always find a carpark near a lonely 60s chevy or something similar to my car, and if there's nothing like that there I'd never deliberately park right up next to a skyline and try to make a big deal of it. In fact id probably just cruise through, say a quick gday to my friends and be off.

But yeah, its when they rock up in a big bunch at a hotrod meet and expect everyone to drool over their cars, then they realise that no-one cares so they feel the need to chirp their tyres in order to prove something... that really annoys me.

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thunderbirds are go

A good percentage of them are "wannabe" thugs.
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WPoC

Hey, Christo, it just dawned on me that you guys driving American cars down under are driving the IMPORTS! LOL. Do the others give you grief 'cause you're driving the imports, and not the 'locals'?

Cool Bird, BTW...
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phil


It's not a NOMAD, it's a Yeoman!
Not an engineer, but I DO drive a train.

actually Phil, most people are really cool about it! They're like "wow left hand drive!!" and "crikey those Americans make big cars" and all that sorta thing...

You do get the occasional negative response though, like there's this one guy next to my work (the bird is my daily driver) who calls my car all the expletives you could think of. Im just like "hey, i dont care if you dont like my car, i like it and thats why i bought it. You dont have to drive it so whats your problem?" and he'll say something like "yeah but i have to look at it" I think for some reason he just hates american cars, but he goes for all the Japanese stuff...

Also, in Australia we have "Holdens" which are our equivilent of Chevs, but because the name "holden" is unique to Australia, they are seen to be "more Australian" than our Ford falcons which are also Australian produced and designed cars. But then, most of my hotrod friends would probably prefer an American car to a holden hehehe.

On the whole, most people really like my car. Its something novel which they rarely see, and it gives the cops a bit of a laugh when they do a breath test on the passenger!
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thunderbirds are go

Man, have you guys got Friggin’ old, or what? Some of you sound like “City Fathers against Hot Rods”. I’m not going to defend these “ricers”…but I understand them! These “rice burner kids” are doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING WE DID when we were young…or did you forget? We were arrogant punks who drank beer and drove too fast. We were indestructable and irresponsible.
If you were a teenager in the 50s-early 60s, you lowered your ride, changed wheels (hubcaps) and “tore up” Main St. with that split manifold Chevy 6. If you were a product of the 60s-70s, you had GTOs, Z28s, Boss’s T/A & R/Ts to get the job done. We changed wheels, exhaust (headers) and carbs so you could literally “shred” Main St
So what are the “ricers” doing? Lowering their rides, changing wheels, changing exhaust and tearing up (shredding) Main St . Hmmm, sound familiar? Sure these little bastards are annoying, if not downright dangerous, but don’t forget, we were probably MORE annoying and dangerous because we got to do it with BEER…every weekend!
Every time I see one of those Ricers blow by me, I feel a little sad. Sad that I got old and responsible…it was fun being young and wild. And I wonder if he will live long enough to get responsible. Fortunately I made it…but some of my buddies didn’t.

Just my 2 cents. HotRodJack

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Was born ignorant...and been losin' ground ever since.

While it is a shame that it had to come to that, like most of you, it's not surprising to me. Since my Burb is down for the year while I take care of some other things, I've been taking my Blazer to "open" shows. I've had a pretty good time hanging with and getting to know a lot of the S-10 Truck/Blazer crowd. Some are "ricers" driving S10's, but most are good Young men who want their rides to be Clean, Sharp and Hot Rodded, just like when I was young.
However, I'm pretty perplexed when it comes to some of these "youts" nowadays.

HotRodJack, sorry man, but while your point does hit home about "we did the same thing", WE did it a whole lot differently than these Iceholes ever will!!
We were brought up with RESPECT and we applied that respect to street/drag racing. We only hung out where we knew we wouldn't really bother anyone. Why? Cause we didn't want to be bothered!!!
These Iceholes nowadays have NO respect for anything or anybody. They'll do their little street racing where ever. While we did ours on the street too, we at least stopped traffic so we could race and not take the risk of getting anyone hurt. We always had Safety in mind, at least, where I grew up. Sounds nuts, but it's true. We always thought about doing our racing as safely as possible. Why? Cause we didn't want anyone getting hurt and we didn't want anyone shutting us down!!

BEER!? BEER!? You're talking about BEER!? Man, think about this for just a second, We might've had Beer and Pot in our day, but these Cats have A LOT more choices now. They got X, Coke, Crank, Paint and whatever else is on those streets. Beer is the LEAST of their "get high" selection.

You're right in your comparison of the "hot rodding" of ones ride, but that's where it ends.
We were a whole different bred than these kiddies of today. We didn't have Mommy and Daddy to come bail us out. We weren't spoiled little brats that when Mommy and Dadddy came to escort us home and for punishment we got "time outs" in our room. "time outs"??, please. The only "time out" I got, was when Dad's hand got sore.

"We did the exact same thing as they're doing now". Man, you couldn't be MORE wrong.
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gary

RESPECT.... That's the key word !!! Many ( not all ) young people have no respect for others and marginal respect for theirselves.Seem angry about something all the time . A puzzle to me as life goes much better if you go with the flow . 2 cents here , don't spend it in one place . Wink

Gotta agree with Jack, I grew up in the late 70s early 80s and we did everything with a case of beer on the floor.
I sometimes wonder how we got out alive what with all the drinking and driving we did.


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Jeff Reid

Got this on one of the S-10 sites. I rest my case:

"I was going home from a band concert. Was on Parsons Ave going north, two ricers, one was a newer eclipse with huge ass wing and graphics on every inch of the car, the other was a honda crx, they were racing, i was in the far right lane, crx was in the lane way back behind me, eclipse was on the left lane... They are coming up fast, i have nowhere to move to, i am going 55, so they were probably at 80-90. crx goes into the turning lane in the middle and hits sand when he is trying to cut back in front of the eclipse, rear 1/4 panel hits the left front fender of the eclipse and they both start going to my lane about 1/2 a car length in front of me, I slammed the brakes locked up all 4, pulled the shifter down to 2 (its auto but using engine brake also) start sliding sideways crx is coming towards me at this time, there is a telephone pole coming up awfully fast (that I am going to). i steered and floored it and caught just enough to pull myself away from the pole at the last minute, CRX just misses the pole by less then a foot and ends up in someones driveway, eclipse suffered fender/bumper cover/left tire damage, crx suffered 2 blown tires, a bent rim and some a smashed in right 1/4 panel. I suffered wrecked nerves and a little bit o rubber loss, (i'll try to remember to take pics of the tread marks tomorrow).... Damned ricers shouldnt be racing in daylight, save it for a drag strip or the weekend street races on Gandy..."
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gary

Hey HOTRODJACK......FROM HOTRODSRJ, how ya doing! Never officially welcomed you to the forum......been here forever but not around alot lately.

This is a great discusion! Most of our shows here in Atlanta are in fact open. Not much of a problem, even at NOPI nats (5000 cars) held at the AMS is relatively behaved....they supply them with rock concerts to entertain them and Bruton Smith carries plenty of security to go with! I think the venue helps to isolate these events from cities and neighborhoods where noise and such is a big problem. I think having rules and enforcing them and what you are willing to let them start is the key, just like in any environment. I have seen things get out of hand at motorsports events abound! The INDY used to be notorious for the Hells Angels as well as the US NATIONAL drags could be really rough as well. The city of Speedway always had rules, laws etc, and plenty of apes to enforce them. Most people could have fun, get a little carried away, but cross the line and you are off to clink-land!

YOu have made some good points, however I have to take exception to some of the things that you have said here and respectfully so. I don't know about you, but I was NEVER destructive in my day. Yeah, I drank beer (no drugs for me tho), did a few street races on the interstate (never in neighborhoods). As you can probably tell, I grew up in INDY and wrestled with the best "rowdies" at events such as the 500 and US Nationals, but we simply had more respect for others property in my opinion.

There seems to be an element of these kids that are the worst. It's a cult to me. Gang-bangers and want to bes. The rest are great young people who love to hear a guy like me say "WOW...what a ride!" And we all know there are alot! I have a trick 2001 Dakota Truck as well and sometimes go to some of the truck events. These guys are great and I get plenty of ideas not only for my truck but other cars as well.

Just my measily two cents.
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Steve Jack
Marketing Technologies Limited,LLC
ConceptOne Brackets and Pulleys

Ok my two cents on this subject again. Yes, ricers can be a pain at cruises, etc. I always cringe when they start with their boom boxes. I don't tolerate loud music well, (though I am going to see Meatloaf in concert soon!). I hang out at a rod/ricer shop in town here and have come to know a few ricers and most I found are respectful once you get to know them. Most of the problems come from immaturity then anything else. Quite a few know their kaka when it comes to their cars and what they want. Then their are the idiots, but we find some of them in street rods also.
A number of them really love the rods but because they are not the *in thing* for guys their age they stick with the *crowd*.
Concerning disrespect, have any of you seen any coverage of Freedon Iraqi? My image of our youth today sure changed for the better. Many of them will be returning to their ricers when they get home. Personally I think it's more a matter of cliques and what the cliques are into more then anything else. I only pray some of these *hot rodders* of the 00s live to reach our age, (they have been modified and in the venicular they have been hot rodded, no?). I know of many of my hot rodding friends of the past that didn't live to see the world of today. It sort of reminds me of the generation gap we went through, i.e. get a hair cut, turn down that crazy music, don't drink and drive, what? Another ticket!
Thankfully my son is not a ricer, his first car was an 80 malibu with a 350/700R4. What can I saw, I raised him at the ovals and in street rodding. My daughter on the other hand drives a Nissan 240SX but really wants a 32 Ford Coupe.
Peer pressure is as big a thing today as it was when we grew up. Yes, I know, we all did our own thing, as hot rodders we were/are non-conformers but, have you noticed just how much we all have conformed? We just happen to non conform with fellow non conformists.
Hot rodding is a state of the mind and spirit more then anything else. We are the ones that won't stand directly in line, we will keep one foot in the line but stand outside of the line.
Nuff from my end of the spectrum.
Emil


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Emil
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Drive it!
46 Ford Sedan
37 Packard Super 8

My 2 cents (again)
The serious ricers that I spoke of before could just be the future of hotrodding/streetrodding.
When I was their age I had muscle cars. My first love and what I really wanted was a hotrod. But I had no money and no place to build one.
So I drove and streetraced my 68 Super Bee. I raced on rural 4 lane highways, where the wannabes in their 63 Galaxies with foot long shakles raced on city streets.
I listen to Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Iron Butterfly at high volume. I had long hair (now I have none) and I wore ragged jeans.
Talk about respect? The people my age, that were brought up in the peace-love-dove hippie age, have no respect for anyone. They cut you off with no signal on the highway. They cut ahead in line. They are rude to everyone (waitress, people in stores, etc.)
I find their kids are more respectful than they are.
Sure, there are exceptions to everything.
Speaking of ricers, a Celica went by me Friday. Deep purple, no grapics or wings. It was sharp!
Imagine what kind of hotrod that kid could build a few years from now?
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Charlie

A few years from now the current ricers will be complaining about what ever is the new fad of that day.
Will not understand why they ack so bad and like such strange cars.
Sound familiar!
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40Stude

The way I see it you have the "Fast and the Frivolous" wannabes, with wild graphics, big wings and coffee can exausts on stock imports. 9 times out of 10 they have big stereos too.
Then you have the young import hotrodders. They're easy to spot. No grapics, no stickers in the window, and a tach on the A pillar. And they ain't stock!
And these guys usally don't park with the wannbes. They're off by themselves.
When I was a kid the wannabes drove 63 Galaxies with foot long shakles and flex pipe exaust.
And if we were going to throw someone outta a show for having a big Stereo, What about Ed? hehe
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Charlie

Ed's out! hehehe. You hit it on the head Charlie. There will always be wannabes that go overboard just to be noticed and when they are noticed they don't know when to stop. I also agree with the ricer hot rods. As I say, whatever floats your boat, just don't dump on the rest of us.
In response to Hotrodjack. I totally agree with you also, i was and to some extent still am a rebel. Though a toned down or should I say, a de-tuned one. It's true, we did do such things and we all lost friends along the way because of they did them also.
In a post somewhere else awhile back I mentioned a shop i hang out at that does alot of ricer work. I'd stand up for many of the dudes and dudettes that are in rice burners today but, just like in our hell-raising days, there are the few and the furious. Don't ask me why they are furious when they are driving 50-100,000 cars. Maybe their 5 point harnesses are too tight?

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Emil
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Drive it!
46 Ford Sedan
37 Packard Super 8

Doesn't surprise me in the least...I knew it was gonna happen sooner or later. NOPI in Atlantas probably gonna be next to die a slow death.

If they'd keep these clowns in line or ban 'em It would work out for all...those behaving have nothing to worry about and can continue to have a great time, and those who act like idiots have some time to go home and think things over and MAYBE come back in a year or two and act their age and not half their shoe size.
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Lower Susquehanna Chapter Member of DSRA - DSRA Mid Atlantic Division P.R Associate for Lugnuts 2003 World Tour..Coming to a City near you!

I heard about the banning of that import show in carlisle when I was at Crusin Ocean City from a guy who is from Carlisle. I was like serves them right. I know there are some of those ricers out there that are cool and respectful, but for the most part they are nothing but a nuesence. I am only 22 and thank the lord I saw that 65 GTO on My Classic Car back when i was 16 or I may be one of those cool ricers. Anyhow while in ocean city I heard they capped the years allowed in the show areas, which is good i guess. I saw a lowerd import truck with two kids in it looked like those unwanted ricers trying to get in and the cops wouldn't let them turn town the road. The unfortunate thing is I also saw a Viper get turned away. All in all the whole weekend I didn't see or couldn't notice very many imports in Ocean City. This was one of the best shows and Cruises i have been too, already have reservations for next year. Now I just need to make it to the Woodward Dream Cruise.

Yawn.... its the fart cans
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EL CAMINO!

fart cans and punk kids with shitty veilside body kits and DPI Nos that snacks on 4 cylinder vtech engines. also not non attractive korean chicks.... thats just not cool!
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EL CAMINO!

yep, and more than half the stuff they have stickers for on the outside of the car, aren't even on the car.